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MarcelG
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 12:52 - 985 pageviews Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  ¤ 
I'm thinking of switching from my DVD player to a media center extender device, so that I can clean up the DVD's in my livingroom and store them centrally on my Windows 7 workstation in the attic.

However, I'm unsure what the best/most cost efficient/flexible solution is.
I currently have Yosh's old Xbox 360 which needs to be repaired.
The 360 is a fully functional Media Center Extender, however it's noisy....the fan really makes too much noise imho.
However, when I have it fixed I can put in new silent fans for € 30 or so, so that is no longer a problem.

I've also looked at the Asus O!Play HDP-R3, but that thing lacks a SCART and component connection, so that's not a good option.

Is there anything out there that:
- is small
- preferably fan-less
- has a component (Y-Pb-Pr) or SCART output
- has a optical digital audio out, supporting Dolby Digital/DTS.
- is able to connect to a Windows Media Center, or
- is able to open a fileshare and mount ISO's
- preferably is able to play H264/MKV/DivX
- preferably is able to connect to an iTunes catalog ?
Krypt
 
Netherlands 574 posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 13:19 Show Krypt's profile Reply with Quote  #1 
CFULLHDMAi; ugly UI but works perfectly. I've one, and you can see it if you want. And it supportsl 1080i. Haven't tested it with Media Center/WMP12 on Win7 but it reads SMB shares perfectly.
It's on sale right now: http://www.divxplayer.nl/produ../..ucts_id=1856

Otherwise the Yuixx, Popcorn Hour and such.
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 13:37 (Edited @ 13:48) Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #2 
Damn, that thing is ugly....[oO]
[img]/uploaded/18/1/CFULLHDMAi.jpg[/img]

This one is also nice, and looks a bit better.
AC Ryan PlayOn! HD : http://www.divxplayer.nl/produ../..ucts_id=1951
[img]/uploaded/18/1/acryanplayon.jpg[/img]
-edit-
That last one is also available as a 'mini' version, at just €99!
http://www.engadget.com/photos../..mini/2535453
[img]/uploaded/18/1/acryanplayonmini-front.jpg[/img]

[img]/uploaded/18/1/acryanplayonmini-back.jpg[/img]

No fan & all the outputs I need, niiiice! [good]
Krypt
 
Netherlands 574 posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 14:34 Show Krypt's profile Reply with Quote  #3 
Don't forget to check the supported media. And you do not have to use the stand of the CFULLHDMA and put it horizontal
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 14:53 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #4 
Jeroen, the supported media list of the PlayOn! is really absurd:
quote :
Supported video formats:
AVI / MKV / TS / TP / TRP / M2TS / MPG / MP4 / MOV / M4V / VOB / ISO / IFO / DAT / WMV / ASF / RM / RMVB / FLV resolution up to 720p / 1080i / 1080p

Supported video codecs:
MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 / MPEG-4 SP/ASP/AVC (H.264) / XviD / DivX / WMV9 (VC-1) / RealVideo 8/9/10 (up to 720P)

Supported video output settings:
PAL / NTSC / 480p / 576 / 720p / 1080i 50Hz / 1080i 60Hz / 1080p 50Hz / 1080p 60Hz

Supported audio codecs:
MP3 / MP2 / WMA / AAC / FLAC / WAV / OGG Vorbis / PCM / LPCM / MS-ADPCM / LC-AAC / HE-AAC / COOK / RA-Lossless

Supported audio output settings:

Stereo, AC3 Dolby Digital 5.1 (passthrough & downmix to stereo), DTS (passthrough), Dolby TrueHD (passthrough), DTS Master Audio (passthrough)

Supported photo formats:
HD JPEG / BMP / GIF / TIF / PNG

Supported subtitles:
SRT, SMI, SSA, IDX/SUB, SUB

Supported character sets for subtitles:
Unicode (UTF8), BIG5 (Traditional Chinese), Western, Turkish, Central European, Greek, Cyrillic, SE European, Hebrew
The PlayOn! HD Mini is not yet available in stores as I've understood, so I'll just wait a while, but I'm pretty sure that will be my device of choice! Small, relatively cheap, simple and very versatile!
Krypt
 
Netherlands 574 posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 15:43 Show Krypt's profile Reply with Quote  #5 
Misschien de XTreamer ook wat om mee te nemen. Klein en fijn en bestuurbaar via je iphone :)
http://www.xtreamer.net/
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 15:47 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #6 
That one is also pretty neat, but it doesn't have component output, only HDMI. [:'(] Do HDMI->component converters exist ?!
Krypt
 
Netherlands 574 posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 15:57 (Edited @ 15:59) Show Krypt's profile Reply with Quote  #7 
HDMI to Component convertors exist. Even Dealextreme has one; http://www.dealextreme.com/det../..dx/sku.31739

When searching google with the terms "xtreamer component"; the first hit also gives a link to the xtreamer forum with the exact same question. However I cannot seam to find that post on that forum (link needs you to be registered). Maybe in a couple of days you can use google cache to see that post.

PS. My CFULLHDMAi has the same support. And I can also add live streames without the need of a computer. It's ugle; I agree. But it works like a charm. Especially in combination with my CH3SNAS which downloads series and movies for me.
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 08/01/10 @ 17:11 (Edited 20/01/10 @ 14:47) Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #8 
I'll wait for the PlayOn! HD Mini ; it's cheap (€99) and it seems to be a very capable and small streamer without the need for a HDMI-Component converter.

I'll certainly drop by one of these days to check out the CFULLHDMAi in action. [:)]

-edit 10/01/10 @ 16:06 -
I just ordered the PlayOn! HD Mini at Misco.nl. [8D] It's not on stock yet, but they expect it by the end of the month.

-edit 20/01/10 @ 14:47 -
The PlayOn!HD Mini has arrived!!!! [good] Tonight I'll be fiddling around with it!
Krypt
 
Netherlands 574 posts
 Posted 20/01/10 @ 15:14 Show Krypt's profile Reply with Quote  #9 
And now the task to find out how to connect our LANs so Deedidee can watch Grey's Anatomy :P
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 20/01/10 @ 15:22 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #10 
Indeed! [:-/]
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 20/01/10 @ 18:51 Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #11 
don't know if you looked at this one, but I came across it today while looking for something else

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2../..r_wd_tv_live
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 22/01/10 @ 21:21 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #12 
I've looked at that one too, but that one lacked both scart as well as the Y-Pb-Br output.

I have the PlayOn HD Mini for three days now and I must say I'm impressed by it's video and audio rendering capabilities.
Effortlessly it renders 1920x1080 H264 at 24fps, including 6 channel digital output. It doesn't even get hot. Of course DVD's are no problem at all, but I didn't expect it to have such great playback on full HD content. (MKV, 720p DIVX etc).

However, it certainly does have several quircks, and those quircks are very similar to the ones the WD Live is having.
  • dumb UI....gettting to the shared videos on my attic workstation takes 5 menus or so...and I have to do this each and every time I start it up.
  • The UI is spartan ; it shows a list of filenames and folders such as 'Baraka.1992.720p.BluRay.x264-CiNEFiLE.mkv' instead of "Baraka" with a nice cover.
  • DVD's (non ISO ones) just show as a VIDEO_TS/AUDIO_TS folder, and you as a user have to know to start the VIDEO_TS.IFO file...
  • Digital audio (toslink) is unavailable 9 out of 10 times when you start a movie. Going back to Setup, selecting "SPDIF LPCM" as output, going back to the movie, there's sound, go back to Setup and select "SPDIF RAW", and it works again...Each and every time....[v]
  • Subtitles are loaded with the font being WAAAAY to big. And yes, you have to define the fontsize for each movie seperately....[v]
  • The interface to listen to music is just stupid....it's nothing but folders and the actual MP3 files, no covers, no playlists, no sorting on ID3-tag information, nothing.
  • The MP3 tags are loaded backwards. (So instead of "Artist: Lamb" it sais "bmaL :tsitrA"...[?]
  • No shuffle play....not even within 1 folder...
  • No way to play multiple folders at once...
  • etc...

I'm hoping the next release of the PlayOn firmware contains YAMJ support. I know that the guys at AC Ryan are working on that at the moment...they announced it a couple of months ago.
From the AC Ryan forums:
quote :
Yup, as what I've told Chris a few days back that there have been some unexpected code changes in SDK3.0 which we have merged to our current platform that causes our YAMJ module to fail in some areas. I'll try to release a trial YAMJ firmware by this week but certain features like the subtitles or zoom function may not be available yet until we sort out these bugs with Realtek. [}:)]

With YAMJ it'll look something like this, and yes, that will certainly make me happy!
[img]/uploaded/18/1/popboxyamj.jpg[/img]
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 02/02/10 @ 19:59 Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #13 
just bought myself a logitech squeezebox boom to stream all my music to the living room, very nice it is too, dead easy to setup and the sound is pretty good considering its size
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 02/02/10 @ 20:38 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #14 
I've been considering a squeezebox as well, but decided not to do it because it only supports music. However, seeing how limited the PlayOn HD is with respect to music (no playlists, crappy interface, no album art, wrong ID3 info, no selection by genre, no shuffle play across folders etc), I think I'll get a second hand squeezebox as soon as I can spare the money.

Which one did you get?
-jos-
 
Netherlands 5.8k posts
 Posted 02/02/10 @ 21:16 Show -jos-'s profile Reply with Quote  #15 
just heard about the popcorn hour, maybe something for you?

http://www.popcornhour.com/
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 02/02/10 @ 21:39 (Edited @ 21:42) Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #16 
I got the Boom, I did want an original squeezebox V3 (no speakers) but even on ebay they were going for > £120 so figured I might as well get the Boom, at least I can plug it in anywhere without the need for an amp. It has a pretty good web interface too, so as well as using the remote I can control it from my laptop or even my phone if I want.

I have a friend who has a few of them (V3 and Boom), he told me not to bother with the Duet as it has some pretty crap reviews, the Touch is supposed to be pretty cool, but a bit more than I wanted to pay ~260GBP, the Boom was ~170GBP

I went for the squeezebox because it plays every type of music file I have, MP3, AAC, WMA, Ogg, FLAC, Apple lossless, WMA lossless, WAV, and AIFF
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 02/02/10 @ 21:50 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #17 
quote :
Originally posted by -jos- on 02/02/10 @ 21:16
just heard about the popcorn hour, maybe something for you?

http://www.popcornhour.com/
Jos, I already have the PlayOn HD Mini, and overall I'm very happy with it.
Some things (mostly the interface) suck, but I hope those things will be solved in a future firmware.

Huw, the Boom is pretty cool, but do I see this correctly ? : is the Touch just as expensive as the Boom?!! The Touch supports album art and stuff....?
I'd expect the Boom to be less expensive than the Touch.

BTW, did you also look at the Transporter? http://www.logitech.com/index.../..163&cl=us,en
Me and some collegues were discussing that device this morning....how on earth do they explain the difference in price between this device and all the others...??! I have a hard time believing that there's such a big difference in quality....stereo isn't that hard to do, is it?
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 03/02/10 @ 09:49 Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #18 
the Boom is nearly 100GBP less, the transporter has a whole raft of extra features that the boom does not have and is more of a hifi seperate than just a player, it has digital inputs as well as digital outputs, but yes 2000USD is a tad overpriced, my surround sound amp only cost half that much.

The web interface for the boom supports album art,but the player only has a small text based display, I wasn't really interested in looking at the album cover when listening to music.
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 03/02/10 @ 09:51 Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #19 
ah, I see what you mean about price, on logitech site they are quoted at the same price, but if you try to buy one they are not the same price at all
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 03/02/10 @ 20:20 (Edited @ 20:22) Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #20 
this is the web interface for the player, left side shows lists(image shows album list letter A) right side shows the playlist (currently set to random mix)

[img]http://q.oxle.com/pub/722/squeezebox.png[/img]
MarcelG
 
Netherlands 13.5k posts
 Posted 03/02/10 @ 20:43 Show MarcelG's profile Reply with Quote  #21 
That sure looks nice!!
I'd want an interface like that on my PlayOn...instead it's like this:


By the way, that collegue of mine is going to try out the Transporter... [:-/]
HuwR
 
United Kingdom 420 posts
 Posted 04/02/10 @ 00:01 Show HuwR's profile Reply with Quote  #22 
lucky bugger, looks a nice piece of kit
Krypt
 
Netherlands 574 posts
 Posted 04/02/10 @ 10:11 Show Krypt's profile Reply with Quote  #23 
Everything is better than that ugly interface of mine CFULLHDMAi :)
Ah well; it works, and that's the main thing of that device.
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